From seed. Two big ones 3 and half weeks 2 little ones 2 weeks. Using 400w mh and hps with inline extractor, carbon filter. 27c temp 50% RH USING coco coir 2-1 with crushed corn kernal and perlite mix. Canna coco a and b with added low silicon and nitrogen additive using canna cure as a foliage spray and pest repellent and preventative.